Shamballah Speaks " Sex The Secret Gate To Eden "

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Permalink Reply by Laramie Roush on July 6, 2010 at 11:21pm

Very good, Fantum. There are indeed many types of unions, and I see a divine male/female energy in them all. The problem I have with this is that in the history of the church, we see that people were indeed trying to abstain from the "pleasure" aspect of sex as per the teachings of the church. Men and women who were married were only to unite to bring children into the world, and not for pleasure. What with all of this repression madness ensued. Quite honestly I see the orgasm as a gift from the divine which is an important part of the act, so I could never ascribe to this philosophy for myself. However, if that is the way others see it, then more power to them.

Blessed Be
Larry

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Permalink Reply by THE ETERNAL WYTCH on July 6, 2010 at 6:11pm

VERY INTERESTING!

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Permalink Reply by Drakill Tannan on July 7, 2010 at 8:57am

From what i hear, sex completes the duality, because it's the union of the two, and makes a third, therefore tracends the duality, launching us, even if briefly to a higher plane. So yeah, pretty much.

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on July 8, 2010 at 1:40pm

I so don't believe the sexual gratification is the root of all evil. Mastering your own sexuality is important... learning to use that sexual energy created by the act can bring us positive, creative power and energy. These videos continue to promote another "flavor" of self-repression... But we are divine beings and with knowlege and focus we can utilize the power of the "o".

What we need to see sex as is an enriching, soul fortifying, exploratory experience. It can create, bring forth life, AND reward us with pleasure. If we harness that energy created and send it forth usefully - we can have great wisdom.

Do i think everyone should go out and have unbridled mad love, leaving all else? NO, of course not... But sex is a part of our beings, important to us. This video says "all the great religions" a bunch of times, as if popularity equals truth... Hrmmm... To force "chastity" (anti-orgasm) upon the people is just one other means of mind-control. What we need is self-control, self-balance. To understand the mechanism of sex as more than mere "enjoyment"- but as a means of open inner doors.

Many magical systems harness the power of orgasm in a healthy way... to use as creative, powerful energy. All states of ecstasy can be used this way. When we understand and control that energy CONSCIOUSLY and directly we create meaningful, purposeful action instead of "chaos".

If orgasm and sex were inherently "bad" than it would be apparent in our physical state. People who have sex frequently (with another single healthy partner) live longer, happier, healthier lives with better self-image, less stress and happier marriages. "Random" sex- having sex indiscriminately with many people without any foundation of love or trust... degrades us... that is having sex without self-control or self-consciousness. (I am not saying one must be married to have sex- or you are inherently bad if you have had multiple sexual partners... but truly- a sexual relationship should be built on a stable loving relationship).

If the teachings were saying anything... it was so have self-control... not control to "not climax". It was to say that the creative energy of that action should be directed towards a goal, rather than wasted. It was to say that it should be between people in giving, mutual, love.

Sex is a means of grounding after ritual. Two loving people can use sex to direct energy back through the "base" into the earth- to be renewed.

So i see what the videos "say"= however- I personally disagree with the interpretation... this is because the most basic truths of existence should immediately ring true in the soul. If not, reconsider.

Blessed Be!
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by Fantumofthewinds on July 8, 2010 at 3:47pm

[If orgasm and sex were inherently "bad" than it would be apparent in our physical state ] your words not mine OH let us see herpes,, gondrea for a lack of spelling these long words STD"S all of them that's makes it very apparent to me as these are the wages of that and with the AID'S now killing many but its not apparent ! scratches head. [ Sex is a means of grounding after ritual.] why oh why would I wish to ground ? any thing having to do with magick unless I wanted it to stay right where it is and for this I could use a load stone. So I guess the next time we all do ritual we will all pull our clothes off and have sex BAAAA. Do spiritual beings have sex ? I thought only physical beings did, they must be having a heck of a party up their lol. Oh their makeing little charbubs. MP

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on July 8, 2010 at 4:36pm

Directly after your quote i say;

"People who have sex frequently (with another single healthy partner) live longer, happier, healthier lives with better self-image, less stress and happier marriages. "Random" sex- having sex indiscriminately with many people without any foundation of love or trust... degrades us... that is having sex without self-control or self-consciousness. (I am not saying one must be married to have sex- or you are inherently bad if you have had multiple sexual partners... but truly- a sexual relationship should be built on a stable loving relationship)."

Herpes, gonorrhea, and other STDs are passed by having sexual relationships with multiple partners. If both partners were chaste (virgins) before the relationship- then the sex will be healthy and since STD's don't spring out of nowhere- relatively safe (the only danger being pregnancy). STD's come from have indiscriminate sex...

Am i saying after ritual we should all strip off our clothing and get down together??? NO! I did not say that. There are many ways of grounding- and healthy sex between a loving couple is one of them! Do the gods have sex- yes- read mythology and you will see it to be evident. There is a big difference between lust-based sex and love-based sex... but the difference isn't "orgasm". The difference is the inherent foundation of the relationship. Loving relationships are giving relationships in which two people love and give to each other. Lustful relationships are "taking" selfish relationships in which people are simply "using" each other... and then move on to the "next guy".

Don't take my words out of context- I don't devalue your opinion! I have the right to mine and you should READ exactly what i am saying IN CONTEXT!

I don't have to believe what this person says at all... I think there is value in the statements- but i personally think the interpretation is wrong. I sure would rather not FOLLOW BLINDLY for fear of damnation!

YOU don't have to have sex- I don't think sex for no reason is good for anything. I don't think sex outside of a loving relationship is healthy or wise. Healthy relationships are built on love and trust- and if their is any reason (past mistakes) that would lead someone to have an STD- both people should have self control and get tested before "indulging". But I think it is misguided to blame orgasm as the root of all evil.

Chastity is not bad- I don't have any issues with it. If someone chooses to be chaste- more power to them. But is is just one end of a spectrum of sexual behavior. From chastity to pure lust-fullness- i would try to find BALANCE. That is my choice. I have been on all ends of the spectrum and I have found that the middle is best. If you choose to be chaste- good for you. Many people want to transcend the physical because it is "too hard"- I want to live in it because the physical experience offers me great wisdom and peace.

Give up sex, give up shelter, give up material things, give up relationships, give up food, give up self, give up whatever you want... People use all of these as a means of finding self-control and a way of sacrificing to the gods. However- just because some people CHOOSE to do so- it doesn't make each of these entities inherently evil. Calling them evil causes more strife and frustration then understanding each one as a piece (not the whole) of our existence.

If my honesty offended you... then perhaps you should reexamine why!
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by Fantumofthewinds on July 8, 2010 at 6:15pm

indiscriminate sex... No tell sex ? I say its from [ many ] partners period, indiscriminate or not, it is a proven fact. Long ago the sexual act was saved for the marriage bed, it was part of union it was deamed a sacred rite . But today that act has become so loose that it has been defied and man has shamed it and has in my thinking made it abomination. call me old fashion but that's how I see it and if Im wrong, ohhh well .and I did not Im just asking questions here as you said we are all here to better understand peoples thinking that's all this is or at least to me I still love ya sister. I did not ask if the Gods had sex in every mythology i see it their, I was asking about [spirit ]. Does spirit have sex? interesting. and sister it did not offend me I see it all around me. and I do value your statement BB

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on July 8, 2010 at 7:35pm

indiscriminate: Without care or making distinctions, thoughtless
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/indiscriminate

thoughtless sex... it is harmful. Those who are careful and thoughtful in choosing a sex partner *probably* wont have many sex partners. Sex should be between two people who are in a lasting loving, commited relationship- like marriage.

Have I had sex I regretted- yes. Have I redeemed myself?- yes. I used a period of chastity between my husband and I before our marriage so that on our wedding night we both could have and experience purity to some degree with one another. I understood the difference between "lustful" and "loving" sex then. I think sex is a beautiful thing--- it is a wonderful act of love and creation when it is done correctly- in the right relationship for the right reasons. Sex for the sex of sex and selfish pleasure is wrong. That is was leads to it being "dirty"- fruitless, self-serving, loveless, useless sex.

The issue I have with the videos is with deeming orgasm itself evil. I don't feel that is true. I don't think that energy expulsion pushes us away from truth or wisdom. If orgasm were not a natural part of the act, then we would probably not experience it.

Do we have major issues today because of our degraded idea of sex, fueled by objectifying both men and women and dehumanizing and ruining sex? Yes certainly. We see ourselves as inherently dirty and tempting (in a bad way) rather than beautiful, natural, and useful. Some of us USE sex to fill the holes of lost love, self-worth, happiness, value, and spiritual fullness. Good sex (loving commited sex) will help strengthen and add to those in our lives, but it cannot be a replacement for them!

I think you misunderstood some of what I have said. But I don't hold grudges long and I think on some of this we can "agree to disagree". Sex like all things has a light side and a dark side... as does chastity.

I cant wait to keep hearing what everyone thinks- good or bad, sex is a spicy topic! wink*

Blessed Be!
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by Fantumofthewinds on July 8, 2010 at 7:42pm

[ winks ] be either I told you interesting BB

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Permalink Reply by Laramie Roush on July 8, 2010 at 7:21pm

This just from one man's point of view: While I know about these tantric methods used to prolong the "O", the smooth muscle which gives us pleasure, both men and women, is DESIGNED with the express function of pleasure. It has no other purpose, for as even the vids pointed out, sperm can be released without the big "O". Paganism (correct me if I am wrong) is a celebration and reverence for nature, and does not separate physical reality from its connection to the spirit except for the essence of it; what it consists of. Well, thank you very much, but I intend to use my smooth muscle which the God and Goddess gave me. What's more, I will feel very selfish if I get to use mine but my wife doesn't get to use hers.

Sex will never be as good as it is when we are in a loving relationship. I know that this is true. Now what if we were to ask the opinion of these neo-gnostic film-makers about gays and lesbians? Did you notice that this aspect of loving wasn't even mentioned? I know why. These guys are more prude than the strictest christian fundamentalist ever could be, and if orgasm is an abomination just imagine what their view on homosexuality must be.
Larry

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on July 8, 2010 at 7:52pm

I agree with that...

We were made to have pleasure during sex... pleasure isnt bad itself.

What of homsexuality? They cannot "create" through sex... Well I think we can infer thier opinions of THAT type of sexuality- But I wont. What I can say is that a committed Gay or Lesbian relationship can be as loving, healthy, caring, and beautiful as any straight relationship. It is perfectly natural impulse to be oriented towards either sex regardless of your gender- or even to be oriented to both sexes to some degree. Gay sex, though not "creative" (child-producing) isn't bad sex. That community still has the same inherent risks and dangers of promiscuous sex- and the same consequences.

Also one side not STD's are the risks of communal (multiple partners over time or together) sex... but we can't forget that they are diseases too! Colds, flus, tuberculosis etc are also spread simply by close contact -community- with other people. disease, sadly- is just one of natures ways of preventing overpopulation and "weak genes".

Blessed Be!
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by Fantumofthewinds on July 9, 2010 at 6:35am

I think this made for very good conversation and I can also see that we have gotten way off the subject matter, sex seems to be a hot topic as I new it would be, to substain or not and I think we all have our own ethics about the subject, or so the world seems to today. But as I slept I awoke with a question and of course it to is off subject matter but was curious and wanted to know what others thought. [ SPIRIT ] - [ GHOST ] - [ HOLY GHOST ] are all of these the same thing
or are they different entities? I awoke with this on my mind so my curious mind got the best of me so I place it here. Now tell me what you think ? MP

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