Unbalanced Lifestyle Non Heterosexual

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Permalink Reply by Drakill Tannan on May 24, 2010 at 7:02am

I'm no Corellian witch, but IMO anything that tells you that you're wrong because you're gay is simply mistaken. A wiccan friend of mine is a lesbian, and she seems just fine.. i dobut she is from the corellian tradition, though one never knows, she is kinda secretive with her stuff. I think if you are homosexual it is for a reason, it's not like you had a choice, did you?

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Permalink Reply by Witch School on May 24, 2010 at 11:12am

Balance is a internal mechanism....what ever preference you have sexually is yours. You can only find balance within.

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Permalink Reply by SinbadSam on May 24, 2010 at 1:38pm

@Drakill Tannan...My Point of View/Opinion is that the only choice one has about ones sexual lifestyle is if you choose accept it or deny it. I believe that is the way you were created/born.

@Ed weak side step and tap dance. Then when those who speak of someone is out of or being out of, balance regarding their non heterosexual lifestyle? I will not pull up the various sources/wikis on balance, and no it is not always internal.

May She Give You Grace
Sinbad Sam

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Permalink Reply by MoonJoy on May 24, 2010 at 7:54pm

Hi Sinbad Sam,

What Ed and Drakill mean is, in Correllian Wicca we don't consider one's sexual choices are a sign of balance or imbalance.

To put it bluntly, you use your heart and your ass as you very well wish, and it's no one's business, thank you.

Balance, ultimately, is knowing yourself and Who You Truly Are - so that would be an inner process, indeed. You are out of balance if you act in a way that is contrary to Who You Are, and contrary to your Higher Self - that Highest part of you that knows what you are supposed to be in this life, what you are supposed to learn, what you came in this world to experience, always with the view that we are all emanations from the Goddess, and that She experiences physical life through us. Goddess will want to experience ALL facets of human life, including homosexuality and alternative lifestyles. (That is the Correllian take on things.)

So, if what you came here to experience is being gay, then you are balanced as a gay. If you're supposed to live the polyamorous lifestyle, then you are balanced as such (I know of a polyamorous Correllian clergy member, so I know, for a fact, that it is accepted in our tradition).

Taboos against sexuality, sexual preferences, and lifestyles mostly come from Judeo-Christian dogmas - at least in the Western part of the world, I can't speak for Africa, Asia, or Australia - and obviously, Wicca has very little to do with these ideas.

I have NEVER heard of wiccans referring to a person being out of balance with their heterosexual lifestyles. I don't think that's even part of wiccan thought - or at least Correllian thought. And honestly, I'm not even sure I understand how one can be out of balance regarding their heterosexual lifestyle - unless they are actually homosexual and denying that part of yourself by getting out of their way to be straight, maybe. That could cause some sort of inner imbalance, I suppose...

I hope that answers your question!

Rev. Elise :)
(First Degree clergy of the Correllian trad)

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Permalink Reply by SinbadSam on May 24, 2010 at 8:34pm

@Rev Elise

Nicely worded/put. A lot less Zen in it.

Seems that some Wiccans are not yet able to separate themselves from their Judeo-Christian sexual dogmas, despite statements to the contrary. They use the expression that non heterosexuals are out of balance to perform a left handed gay bashing.

May She Give You Grace
Sinbad Sam

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Permalink Reply by M. Rev. Donald Lewis-Highcorrell on May 24, 2010 at 8:45pm

Actually we hold that what we term feminine and masculine energies -perhaps better termed Yin and Yang- are found in everyone regardless of gender, and that issues of balance are really more internal. Most people are more Yin or Yang, but which energy is prevalent in a person is not purely a matter of gender -nor is one more "correct" than another. People come in a wide range of types, and this is obviously how Goddess likes it, or it would not be so.

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on May 24, 2010 at 10:51pm

There are many different ways to be balanced internally, and externally.

We all contain both masculine and feminine energy as well as androgynous and asexual energy. Your sexual orientation does not necessarily align with your gender or vice versa but you can be a balanced person regardless.

for example

you can be a

Homosexual who is male gender (psychologically) and male physically

or

Heterosexual who is female gender and female physically

or

Bisexual who is transgender and male physically


ALL can be perfectly balanced people so long as they FEEL like they are aligned with how they are created. You can also be perfectly balanced as a single (no relationship) - a couple - or even in a *healthy* poly-amorous relationship. In fact, I think the healthiest marriages/partnerships are created when two people begin by being balanced singly, and then adjust to create a balanced relationship that contains BOTH of their respective masculine/feminine and androgynous energies. (two men or two women can still have these energies and "balance" does not have to mean "equals"

the Wiccan rede is what guides our actions every day. It guides us spiritually, magically and ethically. Balance will make you more attuned to the divine- and exploring yourself in all extremes (within reason) actually can help you achieve balance. I think women should experience the GOD in themselves as well as the GODDESS and visa versa. You have many incarnations to come to you final balance anyways and i think part of are purpose is to learn all lessons and experience all experiences to achieve wisdom in our divine self (our soul).

Intriguing Question Sam!

Thank You!
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by John Paul Wallace on July 29, 2010 at 11:48pm

To believe that homosexuality is "unbalanced" gives the "Magick of Love" rules and regulations we have no right to impose... Homosexuality can actually be viewed as a hybrid consciousness between the Masculine and Feminine energies (not to be confused with male/female energies)

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Permalink Reply by Benjamin on July 30, 2010 at 6:49am

Quote Rev. Elise: "To put it bluntly, you use your heart and your ass as you very well wish, and it's no one's business, thank you."

ROFL

Sinbab, I am not Corelian, but as Rev. Elise pointed out very aptly it is none of anyones business.

I am a flaming homosexual, fudge pucker, fag, homo, gay, stand against the walls boys... name it I have been called it. Am I balance - hell yeah. I have been gay long before I had the knowledge as to what I am. It was the most natural thing to me and never wanted anything else.

How this ties with Wicca, well it is the only religion who does not tell me what to do with my choices, only reminding me that each choice I make has consequences and if I want to deal with those it is my responsibility.

Like I said to my parents - I do not want to know what you do in your bedroom, the image of it can not be washed with salt water... so do not meddle with what I do in mine.

I am happy to be gay, have not wanted to be anything else and will never be. You welcome to mail me if you feel like talking.

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on July 30, 2010 at 1:22pm

that is great!

I think a lot of people confuse "orientation" with "gender" and with "physical gender"

It is all a spectrum,- and none of them NECESSARILY influence each other.

Balance is a more inner function, and in many ways has less to do with gender than it does with inner acceptance of yourself (whatever you are; gay, straight, white, black, old, young, boring, crazy- etc).

I personally am a bisexual women in a "straight" monogamous marriage. My GENDER (who i see myself as...) is a slightly more androgynous female... not BECAUSE of my orientation, but because it is what I FEEL like...
Luckily my physical gender matches my mental/emotional one.

I have known this for a LONG LONG time... But I have not always been "balanced" Balance came from accepting myself (in many ways beyond gender and orientation) and forgiving others, and growth through wisdom. I think when gender is viewed as black and white, rather than a spectrum... people have misconceptions.

Often people say, "all things have gender".... but I think all things are somewhere on the spectrum of gender... between masculine and feminine, androgynous and genderless. I read somewhere that "orientation" is a relatively new concept, and that ancient cultures didn't think ANYONE was attracted to "just the opposite sex".... until creative (baby making) sex was deemed the only 'valid' form of sex- it was considered normal just to have "tastes" in either gender.

I have seen people jump the orientation barrier plenty of times. How many straight girls get "just drunk enough" that they kiss another girl? I have been hit on by a incredibly gay man, and I have seen plenty of "straight" men say ... 'if i was a chick i would do that guy' talking about their favorite sports heros or movie stars. In the end, i think everyone is somewhere in the middle... but people like me "love 'em all".

Blessed Be!
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by Parker on July 30, 2010 at 8:08am

Well, I've been part of Wicca for roughly 10 years. Since I was 11. So you could say I grew up with my craft. I'm gay. I have the freedom and the right to be as such. "and it harm none, do what you will". If it harms someone (a disgusted Christian doesn't count here) it's wrong. If it doesn't, well then it's not bad. As others have mentioned, homosexual slurs come from judao-Christian faiths. Not Wicca.

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Permalink Reply by Drakill Tannan on July 30, 2010 at 9:16am

I don't belive the sexual preference has anything to do with the energy balance within a person, at all. I know of a woman active in polarity that is entierly intrested in men, for instance.

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