Unbalanced Lifestyle Non Heterosexual

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Permalink Reply by MoonJoy on July 30, 2010 at 12:46pm

I agree with Drakill here. Sexual preference is just that: sexual preference. It's part of the realm of the physical.

On an energetic level, straights can have perfect energy balance or be totally off-kilter, and the same holds true for a gay/lesbian/bi person.

Check this video, it's very informative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N8-jjQCg7o&playnext=1&video...

Rev. Elise

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Permalink Reply by Lark on August 21, 2010 at 9:23am

While it is true that Gardner shared the beliefs of his time and did not feel that homosexuals had a place in Wicca, which was viewed then as now as a fertility cult, that same perspective is pretty much not true in modern British Traditional Wiccan groups such as Gardnerians and Alexandrians. I am personally acquainted with many fine BTW priests and priestesses who are not heterosexual and yet who are welcome in the BTW community.

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Permalink Reply by Habibi Rait on August 1, 2010 at 5:18am

Hey I havent read all of the replies yet o.0 but many pagans are gay/trans/bi - its not a problem (some whole covens are based on "alt" sexualities) Although I think covens should have a mixture of men/women, gay/straight makes no real difference - the balance is inside.
If the gods can change sexualities and/or genders Idoubt theyd have a problem with humans doing it :p

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Permalink Reply by Drakill Tannan on August 1, 2010 at 8:27am

Actually covens shouldn't mix greders. A Coven should be either entirely men, or entirely women.

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Permalink Reply by Parker on August 1, 2010 at 9:06am

Covens should be all male or all female?! That's an odd statement to make. As there is a balance of the masc. And fem. In nature the same should hold true for covens. I guess it's just a matter of personal belief.

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Permalink Reply by Drakill Tannan on August 1, 2010 at 11:34pm

Genders don't matter. Polarity does. When working with moon magic, you better have just people with a passive polarity (usually, only women) so whatever ritual/working you do works best. There is a reason why masons are all male!

Also, "Alternative" genders? lol there is no such thing!

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Permalink Reply by Laramie Roush on August 2, 2010 at 6:16am

Even the ancient Greeks spoke of a "third sex".

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Permalink Reply by Drakill Tannan on August 2, 2010 at 10:36am

I looked into it, and you are right, Intersex individuals cannot be placed in neither the male greader nor the female greader. That is the only alternative, however, and it's an exception of the status quo on how greader works on humans. I'm speaking of phisical greader here, btw, not sexual identity.

Passive energy does correlate to the moon. But it's not absolute. Remeber the Ying-Yang: there is a bit of white in the black, and a bit of black in the white. Moon dieties are usually female because women tend to the passive polarity (note i said "tend"), but there are exceptions, Ixbalanque, for example, is a male moon god.

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Permalink Reply by Megan L Herrod on August 2, 2010 at 12:45pm

I understand your idea, however most covens that i know of celebrate BOTH the sabbats and esbats, both the solar holidays and lunar ones.

Women are very capable of doing both passive and active work with energy, as are men. I think that covens are more well rounded if they have both men and women within them.

Physical Gender (In My Opinion) does not always correlate with your energy, active of passive, solar or lunar. My energy is much more solar than lunar... and in fact my favorite, most effective TIME to practice usually falls at sunset or sunrise... when often the moon is rising, while the sun is passing over the horizon.

Understanding polarity, and the spectrum therein is important, however we shouldn't allow it to limit us. Men are "more suited" at all sorts of things, physical strength for example. I am sure the strongest man in the world can probably lift more than the strongest women... however that shouldn't mean that women should quit aspiring to have strength... the same works with women traits in men as well.

A coven that has BOTH energies can be more versatile than a coven with only one. With both energies they can achieve goals on a broad spectrum. I think all women ot men covens have their uses, and I have NOTHING against them. That said I feel that those who are lucky enough to be able to HAVE an in-person coven... should be happy and lucky to find a few other pagans who are 'good' thoughtful responsible people, regardless of gender!

Blessed Be
-Megan

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Permalink Reply by Lark on August 21, 2010 at 9:27am

Wicca, at least traditional Wicca, is not about polarity, it is about the balance of male and female energies. Traditional Wicca was an is a fertility religion and the presence of both men and women is at the center of what they do. The idea of same-sex covens is a modern, and primarily an American invention. Wicca is about working with both God and Goddess and who best to embody the female/male energies of the Gods than those who are themselves female and male. There is no reason that men cannot work with Moon energy or women with Solar energy unless they choose to limit themselves accordingly.

And not all Masons these days are male.

-Lark-

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Permalink Reply by Running Cloud on August 1, 2010 at 7:53pm

I'm gay and came from a very active Christian lifestyle. I was accepted with open arms, here in the Correllian Faith.

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Permalink Reply by Laramie Roush on August 1, 2010 at 11:22pm

One of my closest friends was forced to leave church after about 10 years of abstinence . . . He did the unthinkable: he fell in love with a wonderful person. I can't remember feeling so ambivalent about anything in my life. I was so happy my friend had found someone to share his life with, and I was so ANGRY that he was no longer able to worship in the way which he believed. He truly was a follower of Jesus, not just a church member. (I don't have a problem with that . . . the teachings of Jesus from the synoptic gospels are what I follow to help me implement the tenets of the Wiccan Rede. As a matter of fact I still belong to church and have a nice little pew right here in the broom-closet).

Looks like you are fairly balanced to me :)
BB
Larry

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