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"Aggressive Prayer" And Other Stuff

So, today's blog post is going to be about something I have been encountering the last few days from a particular source whos hall nto be named here. What I will say is that all I can do is name it 'aggressive prayer' as the title says.

The last couple of days I have been running into a small problem with a particular person on anotehr site. This site is a chat room, a non-pagan chat, more political, however most of the denizens are heavily Christian based. The regulars knwo i'm pagan, don't agree, but leav eme along as long as I leave them alone,w hich generlaly works out just fine. I'm tehre to learn other things than religious views. The problem, however, is that I've had a probelm with one who has usually been cordial and civil to me in the past, no problems as such. It's a prickly situation, frankly.

I've been updating them on my sight, as I have all my aquaintences and friends. I do have a few people I consider friend there and want ot keep them up to date. However, the other night ther was a minor altercation involving a rather aggressive form of prayer.

The situation happened rather fast and I was thrown off by it. I was having a good night,t hough lamenting at lack of being able to cook again. Suddenly two fo the room patrtons start to pray, 'plead the blood' of Jesus over me. One of them was just enthusiastic, I could gather as much, hwoever hte other one, who has gotten abit aggressive the apst few days toward me in this weird way, was well, aggressive. I've never heard the term but it was toward healing, however, there was mreo ebhind what this guy was doing. I'm thankful for a heightened sense, but regardless, it still felt like a severe violation of my space, my will and everything else. It felt like a spell being cast withotu permissionw hcih inf act was just that, regardless of their feelings about it.

After their little song and dance I felt like I eneded a shower and had thus to cleanse and release and reshield myself, shoring up the shields in a new way because apparently the way they wer set up hadn't been prpared for this new thing. I felt wholly it was an attack agianst me, and I am nto one to usually get all uppity over such things, but the way it left me feeling I was not happy about it. i was surprised, acutally at how well it had affected me, amde me feel all needing a shower.

Well, I let it pass once I was done and left it alone hoping it was a one time occurence. The one person was merely enthusiastic and meant no harm, hwoever i feel the latter, though good intention on his end, meant some form of harm whether he realized it or not. Last night i had anotehr minor altercation. It seems juts my showing up triggers soemthing now. I'm nto sure why. But he began to get abit aggressive again, claiming I needed to no longer compare to the false gods and such. I was lost as I was tlaking about making dinner with mom and chatting abotu my doc appointment I had yesterday.

I immediately shored up the shields again to reflect all that was sent my way back to the source in case there was going to be antoehr session of it. I am rahte runhappy about this matter, and know even if they don't beleive in karma it beleives int hem, at lest thsi is MY belief. I have no ill will agianst them but wisht hey'd leave me alone. I have tolerated teir views, even if I do not agree, and politely taken criticism for hte sake of not wanting to cause ap orblem. However, it is at a point that if it continues i am going to have tos ay something in my...w ell nto defense, but I am not goign to take this sitting dwon anymore.

The msot i have done is set my personal shieldwork up to deflect all energy incoming form tihs person. I'll share myt houghts of distaste with them if thsi continues.

I appreciate prayers of healing no amtter hwo they go to, but I will not sit by and allow soemoento work ill will agianst me or something that might attempt to twist my will agianst itself.

I am more wondering what has brought htis sudden change on. The way they treat me is as though I lack faith that i will eb healed and that I need to have it in their deity, their prophet, *shakes head* I have had no such problem with faith that i will be healed, to say the elast. I've known since before surgery that I will see again in time. This is minorly upsetting to me, but in the same, also intriguging. I have never dealt with a form of attack like this and I hate to use the term 'attack', but it is in essence that sort of thing.

Anyway, I wanted to share this because it's intriguging to me. I'm careful how I respond to it, unwilling to draw on a negative backlash, but I will not sit here and be attacked for whatever reason. It is interesting how it is in teh guise of healing but it is an attack agiasnt me fo rbeing pagan in essense. Another member of the room last night, though disagreeing with me as well, made a piont that you dont' get closer to jesus by stomping the wil of anotehr into the ground. I appreciated this little comment and though I'm not keen on Christianity, nothing agianst them as a whole of course, I had to agree with this srot of statement.

So, in toher news, I dont' ahve to go back to the doc for TWO weeks. My medicationw as lwoered agian, only one prednisolone pill a day instead of tw, which makes me happy as they are making me gain weight... which is not fun. My pred eye drops ahv eben lowered from six to four a day. Everything is sitll attached retina wise and I didnt' hve to have any odd procedure done to wash out the blood that was hovering infront of mye ye clouding the view of hte back. It has settled on it's own this last week.

Next time I'm going to have to have anotehr avastin shot in my eye, but no biggie, and hoepfully the retina iwll continue to stay attached all around. I have little doubt, I expct a minor step back, but nothing too severe.

For now I'm going to dwell on this new situation I eem to be in and monitor it with interst. I want to know why, in a way why this person has changed suddenly toward me. I am facinated with the thought processes ehind their thinking. It fives me something wonderful to dwell on and I may learn soemthing newa long thew ay.

Thanks to a site called www.audiogames.net I have found a few RPG's I can play using Jaws, my screen reader, and I am happily busy now with something to think about and do otehr htan merely listening to audio books.

Until next time...

Love, LIght and blessings

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Comment by Megan L Herrod on October 6, 2010 at 2:03pm: Aradia...

If he was drunk then he probably was insensitive to what he was saying. I grew up with an alcoholic dad, and it is frustrating and futile to engage in any sort of discussion with people in this state.

You can feel bad for him... but don't try to find answers. Alcoholism is like any drug addiction... it is illogical to anyone who is NOT an addict. To him, he probably felt he was making a very compelling argument, while on your end it was just mean.

It is not an excuse regardless. As difficult as it is for alchoholics, their habit is SELF-INFLICTED, and the only way to treat it is within THEMSELVES. We can speculate on what led them to be that way, but truly it is usually a fruitless endeavor.

For example, my dad lived in a relatively "normal" home, with no major tragedies and picked up drinking in early highschool... who knows. By comparison, there are plenty of people who grow up is devastatingly abusive and traumatic households and grow to be strong, purpose driven adults.

Distance yourself from this man, and if he "seeks you out"- by trying to direct messages or comments at you, simply say nothing- or if you can, block him. You don't have to put up with it, and you owe him no explanation. Honestly, how can he presume to judge your life, when his is out of disorder in this way?

You could suggest that is prayers are better spent on himself...

Anyways... good for you. Although it isn't an axcuse, at least you can feel a tad better because he wasn't 100% "there" when he was bullying you!

I hope everyone else treats you better, know you always have freinds back here at the witchery!

Hugs!
-Megan

Comment by Lisa Parks (Fireflower) on October 6, 2010 at 12:04pm: Adaria, I admire your open curiosity and desire to learn from your experience. You are obviously intelligent and possess a true desire to learn and exchange ideas with others who may differ in opinions and beliefs, but you give away too much of your personal power to those who wish to do you harm for the "glory" of their God.

If you are working protective magic with the intention of redirecting their negative energy back to them, are you not, in a way, falling prey to their radicalism? These people are NOT true Christians, and they thrive on pushing the buttons of others whom they percieve as ignorant of their "divine truth", and als because of their twisted perceptions that those who do not conform are inferior. These are probably the same types who condemn homosexuality as evil, such as those who blamed them for the 9/11 attack. Such ignorance in the 21st century! Anyway, who are they to judge you? Their sole desire is to impose their will on others, and are dangerous, rather like the Taliban, only in our country we refer to them lovingly as the "Religious Right". They clutter up their minds with opinions, judgements, and egoic feelings of superiority, when in reality their own self-esteem is quite low and they cover their fears and feelings of worthlessness by attempting to make others feel the same way and is a form of mental illness.

Also, doesn't Wicca teach us that we do not work even the most positive magic with the purest of intentions, without the knowledge and consent of the recipient? Did they ask you first? When their "prayers" became dark and filled with negative energy did you respectfully ask them to stop? And did they?

I'm not sure why you want to go back for more; is it because you like a good argument? I speak from experience. My dad was like that, and he loved starting philosophical arguments with me, especially political ones, because I was an oh so easy target. I too couldn't resist a good fight and an opportunity to state my opinions, sometimes solely for their shock value. I am much older and at least a little wiser now!

You must know in your heart, dear one, that there is nothing to be gained from continuing contact with them. Be thankful for what they have taught you about religious radicalism and egoic insanity and move on. You seem a bit young and impressionable-I haven't viewed your profile, and you obviously are open-minded and have a good heart, but I have the feeling that their energy may have a profound affect on you that might follow you through life.

Listen to your heart, your inner voice. It will always tell you the truth if you have the courage to follow it.

May I suggest a book that will give you a profound perspective on what we have been discussing here? I have read it several times, and when I find myself reverting back to judgments and letting others affect me, I go back to this book. You will be forever changed:

A NEW EARTH, author: ECKHART TOLLE

I hope it brings you a new, deeper understanding of human nature, but above all-- PEACE.

Also remember: True Christianity, the teachings of Christ, teaches tolerance, kindness, love, forgiveness, and joy. Did you feel this when connecting with these people? I am not a Christian, indeed I do not personally believe in blind faith of any religious dogma and avoid those who choose to do so themselves, especially when they judge me for my beliefs or philosophies, but rather I am thankful for their lessons and how much they help me to hone my own views and beliefs to their purest form, wish them well, and move on...

It is not your place or obligation to defend your beliefs to them or to anyone, but rather, live by example. Do you really think that they are as open-minded as you are? Do you really feel that they are interested in learning from you or your beliefs? Do we not teach others more by example rather than by words? They have chosen to walk the narrow path of religious intolerance and deeply believe that they are currying favor with God by acting as judge and jury on "his" behalf.

By going back to "defend" yourself when you know how they feel about your beliefs, are you not trying to impose your own philosophies, however gently, on them? I must ask you and to ask yourself: what do you wish to gain by this interaction? You will NOT change them and will only come away from this experience full of frustration, hurt feelings, indignation, and eventually anger. When you allow this to happen, they win in a game you didn't even know you were playing.

Take care, sweetie

Comment by Adaria Tigermoon on October 6, 2010 at 10:48am: I've learned a little bit since I wrote this. The person in question, fromw aht I found out, was drunk at the time and seems to be drinking whenever this all flares up. It's a curious thing to me mroe than overwhelming anymore. It's a shame, I've learend a great deal tehre but I'm gonna be making myself abit scarce for a while until things calm down. Clearly something is going on and I'm just being lashed out at a ltitel bit. I'm curious to knwo why they drink the way they do, why they do alot of what htey do. I'm just too inquizitive that way I suppose.

Overall this situation was mroe of a surprise but now that i'm learning a little more, not so much. Certainly not going to keep putting myself there though. If the trouble starts agian, I plan on merely leaving and taking yself form it. I know it's al osing battle tehre for me with a few and that is fine, they have their beliefs and yes I often wonder about why they believe what htey do and why so strongly. I suppose that is part of the draw, but most of hte time it's fairly good tehre, its' just thsoe rate moemnts hwen religion gets brought up when things get kinda hairy, or can. But nothing in life is without some kind of challenge so it's usually all good.

Regardless, no one will be changing who I am and that's that. I honestly feel abit sorry for this person knowing somthing is driving them to drink to drunkness on a regular basis. Clearly something in their life is leaving themw ith that need, and yes I arealize i'ma ssuming much here but there are always reasons, there is enver 'just because' behind doing soemthing.

Thakns for hte ocmments you two and 'aggressive' prayers are fine as long as theyr'e aggressively enthusiastic and happy lol Not aggressively mean :p

Love LIghat and BLessings to all!

Comment by Fantumofthewinds on October 6, 2010 at 10:35am: I would haft to ask why would you first, place your self in this possession > if it or you come out filling over whelmed ? you must remember people have been brainwashed as well , they mean well, but it may not come off sounding that way, get my drift ? the journey that you are walking is about the you. and their are some battles we just cant win. I wish you well and if healing is what you have need of , place your hand on the picture BB

Comment by Megan L Herrod on October 5, 2010 at 1:12pm: I would ask them to respect your choice of faith, just as you respect theirs. If they try to threaten with hell or damnation, simply say that those things are certainly decided by the divine and not men regardless. Be explicit- say that you will accept the consequences for your own actions, and if they want to pray for your health, so be it- but if you are meant to "come to jesus" - certainly he will call you in good time... and if not, perhaps you are not meant for that path. A simple question for them is "why are you christian?"... any way it goes- unless the reason is stupid like "to stay out of hell"- then it is probably the SAME as the reason why we are pagan.

If they cannot respect your path and treat you with fairness and love... then it is probably time to part ways. Ask any good friends for emails to stay in touch after you leave... but don't stick around for a "witch trial" at this site. Chances are, these people are BORED and are picking on you just like bullies pick on the kids who are different in middle school.... Adults are often just children (or brats) in bigger clothes. They hide behind "righteousness" but all it is really is bullying and harassment. Not to sound cruel... but those who "aggressively pray" for us (especially those who aren't relatives), generally don't give a crap for our salvation... they just use their perceived holiness as ammo to try to shoot us down, because they are bored or insecure.

This is a small group of bad apples, and many Christians are not this way at all... but there are enough that we ought not stick around after school to "talk about it".

Would these people help a faithless stranger in need- no strings attached? Even if they did convert you, would they ACTUALLY help you along your journey... or find a new reason to pick on you?

Sigh...

I hope that you can resolve the situation... but don't force yourself into a losing battle. I really hope your eyesight is better soon.... non-aggressive prayers your way! It sounds like good news is on the horizon, anyways!

Blessed Be and Good Luck!
-Megan